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		<title>By: Jagtesh Chadha</title>
		<link>http://blog.reverberate.org/2009/01/31/ruby-191-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1451</link>
		<dc:creator>Jagtesh Chadha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel doing an English doc project for Ruby from scratch, would work out much better than translating all docs in ja &gt; en.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel doing an English doc project for Ruby from scratch, would work out much better than translating all docs in ja &gt; en.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Youngman</title>
		<link>http://blog.reverberate.org/2009/01/31/ruby-191-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1300</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Youngman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Josh I&#039;ve still been debating Python vs. Ruby, heh.

re: &quot;Python will always run the entire file through a transcoder first...&quot; 

There is a byte type in Python 3, so if you just wanted to grab the length or whatnot, you could use that and skip the transcoder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Josh I&#8217;ve still been debating Python vs. Ruby, heh.</p>
<p>re: &#8220;Python will always run the entire file through a transcoder first&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>There is a byte type in Python 3, so if you just wanted to grab the length or whatnot, you could use that and skip the transcoder.</p>
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		<title>By: System Advancements at the Monastery &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Interfacing with Request Tracker</title>
		<link>http://blog.reverberate.org/2009/01/31/ruby-191-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1298</link>
		<dc:creator>System Advancements at the Monastery &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Interfacing with Request Tracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Puppet: Act One.&#8221; Ruby 1.9.x is a fairly significant change. See Josh Haberman post &#8220;Ruby 1.9.1 released,&#8221; Markus Prinz post &#8220;Ruby 1.9 - What&#8217;s new? What&#8217;s changed?&#8220;, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Puppet: Act One.&#8221; Ruby 1.9.x is a fairly significant change. See Josh Haberman post &#8220;Ruby 1.9.1 released,&#8221; Markus Prinz post &#8220;Ruby 1.9 &#8211; What&#8217;s new? What&#8217;s changed?&#8220;, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rubyist_to_be_or_not_to_be</title>
		<link>http://blog.reverberate.org/2009/01/31/ruby-191-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1257</link>
		<dc:creator>rubyist_to_be_or_not_to_be</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi I agree totally about the original comments of lack of ruby documentation/specification/reference document. It has been so frustrating to learn this language. 

when you go the ruby doc site, to download the core ref, you have to literally look around to find a downloadable ref doc, for offline perusal. Yes, there are still millions of people around the world, who don&#039;t have unlimited broadband connections to the internet !!!

compare that with the other languages like PHP , etc..

there&#039;s always that extra tedious steps you have to go through to find more about the language.

It really feels amateurish in terms of community or &quot;existing infrastructure&quot;  when compared with the other &quot;open source&quot; languages.

My belief is that without a drastic change in the culture and philosophy of the ruby community, ruby will become a marginal language some years down the road. 


some time back,I did post some comments at the following site :-

http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/01/22/is-rubys-popularity-fading/

have moved to PHP , found it is a lot easier to do what I want to do with it and also easier to find information about the language. which equates with less time wasted on the non productive part and more time focusing on my goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I agree totally about the original comments of lack of ruby documentation/specification/reference document. It has been so frustrating to learn this language. </p>
<p>when you go the ruby doc site, to download the core ref, you have to literally look around to find a downloadable ref doc, for offline perusal. Yes, there are still millions of people around the world, who don&#8217;t have unlimited broadband connections to the internet !!!</p>
<p>compare that with the other languages like PHP , etc..</p>
<p>there&#8217;s always that extra tedious steps you have to go through to find more about the language.</p>
<p>It really feels amateurish in terms of community or &#8220;existing infrastructure&#8221;  when compared with the other &#8220;open source&#8221; languages.</p>
<p>My belief is that without a drastic change in the culture and philosophy of the ruby community, ruby will become a marginal language some years down the road. </p>
<p>some time back,I did post some comments at the following site :-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/01/22/is-rubys-popularity-fading/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/01/22/is-rubys-popularity-fading/</a></p>
<p>have moved to PHP , found it is a lot easier to do what I want to do with it and also easier to find information about the language. which equates with less time wasted on the non productive part and more time focusing on my goals.</p>
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		<title>By: rubyist to be or to be not</title>
		<link>http://blog.reverberate.org/2009/01/31/ruby-191-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1256</link>
		<dc:creator>rubyist to be or to be not</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi I agree totally about the original comments of lack of ruby documentation/specification/reference document. It has been so frustrating to learn this language. 

when you go the ruby doc site, to download the core ref, you have to literally look around to find a downloadable ref doc, for offline perusal. Yes, there are still millions of people around the world, who don&#039;t have unlimited broadband connections to the internet !!!

compare that with the other languages like PHP , etc..

there&#039;s always that extra tedious steps you have to go through to find more about the language.

It really feels amateurish in terms of community or &quot;existing infrastructure&quot;  when compared with the other &quot;open source&quot; languages.

My belief is that without a drastic change in the culture and philosophy of the ruby community, ruby will become a marginal language some years down the road. 


some time back,I did post some comments at the following site :-

http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/01/22/is-rubys-popularity-fading/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I agree totally about the original comments of lack of ruby documentation/specification/reference document. It has been so frustrating to learn this language. </p>
<p>when you go the ruby doc site, to download the core ref, you have to literally look around to find a downloadable ref doc, for offline perusal. Yes, there are still millions of people around the world, who don&#8217;t have unlimited broadband connections to the internet !!!</p>
<p>compare that with the other languages like PHP , etc..</p>
<p>there&#8217;s always that extra tedious steps you have to go through to find more about the language.</p>
<p>It really feels amateurish in terms of community or &#8220;existing infrastructure&#8221;  when compared with the other &#8220;open source&#8221; languages.</p>
<p>My belief is that without a drastic change in the culture and philosophy of the ruby community, ruby will become a marginal language some years down the road. </p>
<p>some time back,I did post some comments at the following site :-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/01/22/is-rubys-popularity-fading/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/01/22/is-rubys-popularity-fading/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Isaac Gouy</title>
		<link>http://blog.reverberate.org/2009/01/31/ruby-191-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac Gouy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Antonio Cangiano: The benchmarks you reference are quite old. For a recent comparison between Ruby VMs, take a look at the shootout I ran in December.

The benchmarks josh referenced are 6 months old.

For the recent (31 Jan 2009) comparison take a look at these &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all&amp;lang=yarv&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ruby 1.9&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; :)&lt;/strong&gt;

For a comprehensive comparison of Ruby implementations take a look at &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://antoniocangiano.com/2008/12/10/reflections-on-the-ruby-shootout/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Ruby shootout&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Antonio Cangiano: The benchmarks you reference are quite old. For a recent comparison between Ruby VMs, take a look at the shootout I ran in December.</p>
<p>The benchmarks josh referenced are 6 months old.</p>
<p>For the recent (31 Jan 2009) comparison take a look at these <strong><em><a href="http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all&amp;lang=yarv" rel="nofollow">Ruby 1.9</a></em> <img src='http://blog.reverberate.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </strong></p>
<p>For a comprehensive comparison of Ruby implementations take a look at <em><a href="http://antoniocangiano.com/2008/12/10/reflections-on-the-ruby-shootout/" rel="nofollow">the Ruby shootout</a></em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
		<link>http://blog.reverberate.org/2009/01/31/ruby-191-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@thedarky: I would much rather see extensive Japanese documentation of Ruby, with volunteer translations in English, than no docs at all. Sure, documentation in &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; language is time-consuming, but it should be part of a &quot;professional&quot; release.

If the core Ruby dev team&#039;s problem really is lack of English fluency (and I have no reason to doubt you), then I would prefer they just wrote their docs in Japanese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@thedarky: I would much rather see extensive Japanese documentation of Ruby, with volunteer translations in English, than no docs at all. Sure, documentation in <i>any</i> language is time-consuming, but it should be part of a &#8220;professional&#8221; release.</p>
<p>If the core Ruby dev team&#8217;s problem really is lack of English fluency (and I have no reason to doubt you), then I would prefer they just wrote their docs in Japanese.</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
		<link>http://blog.reverberate.org/2009/01/31/ruby-191-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1220</link>
		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have stuck with Python were it not for the hideous syntax... I mean, __len__? Really? :&#039;s? Really? I just can&#039;t stomach it, I feel like I&#039;m writing BASIC or something.

Ruby is like grown up Python with a few issues to work through. It needs some work on the VM, primarily. Documentation I don&#039;t find so useful, never really find the need to refer to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have stuck with Python were it not for the hideous syntax&#8230; I mean, __len__? Really? :&#8217;s? Really? I just can&#8217;t stomach it, I feel like I&#8217;m writing BASIC or something.</p>
<p>Ruby is like grown up Python with a few issues to work through. It needs some work on the VM, primarily. Documentation I don&#8217;t find so useful, never really find the need to refer to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard Chin</title>
		<link>http://blog.reverberate.org/2009/01/31/ruby-191-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1216</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonard Chin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may be interested to know that there *is* an official, comprehensive documentation project for Ruby in Japanese.

Project Home: http://doc.loveruby.net/
Usable mirror: http://doc.okkez.net/

1.8.x should be fully covered, though 1.9.1 is a work in progress. The project doesn&#039;t yet have sufficient resources to do a ja -&gt; en translation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be interested to know that there *is* an official, comprehensive documentation project for Ruby in Japanese.</p>
<p>Project Home: <a href="http://doc.loveruby.net/" rel="nofollow">http://doc.loveruby.net/</a><br />
Usable mirror: <a href="http://doc.okkez.net/" rel="nofollow">http://doc.okkez.net/</a></p>
<p>1.8.x should be fully covered, though 1.9.1 is a work in progress. The project doesn&#8217;t yet have sufficient resources to do a ja -&gt; en translation.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Prescod</title>
		<link>http://blog.reverberate.org/2009/01/31/ruby-191-released/comment-page-1/#comment-1214</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Prescod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curious: if I have two strings: one is UTF-8 and one is Shift-JIS string. I ask Ruby if they match.

Which string is re-encoded? It matters for performance reasons.

What if I do this matching over and over again in a loop with one of the strings varying. Does the unvarying one get re-encoded over and over again?

Is it consistent across operators which string will be re-encoded? Or should I just encode everything to a neutral encoding &quot;to be safe&quot;?

Furthermore, let&#039;s say that a new character is standardized in a Japanese-only standard and also in Unicode and in (let&#039;s say) two more character sets. 

How can I inform Ruby that they are really the same character? Do I have to modify the source code of four codec classes? And do I need to define 12 mappings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious: if I have two strings: one is UTF-8 and one is Shift-JIS string. I ask Ruby if they match.</p>
<p>Which string is re-encoded? It matters for performance reasons.</p>
<p>What if I do this matching over and over again in a loop with one of the strings varying. Does the unvarying one get re-encoded over and over again?</p>
<p>Is it consistent across operators which string will be re-encoded? Or should I just encode everything to a neutral encoding &#8220;to be safe&#8221;?</p>
<p>Furthermore, let&#8217;s say that a new character is standardized in a Japanese-only standard and also in Unicode and in (let&#8217;s say) two more character sets. </p>
<p>How can I inform Ruby that they are really the same character? Do I have to modify the source code of four codec classes? And do I need to define 12 mappings?</p>
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